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we agreed on allowing the taliban office in qatar, in doha, where the taliban will engage in direct talks with the representatives of the afghan high council for peace where we will be seeking the help of relevant regional countries, including pakistan. we'll be trying our best together with the united states and our other allies to return peace and stability to afghanistan as soon as possible, and employing all the means that we have within our power to do that so the afghan people can live in and work for their prosperity and educate their children. the president and i also discussed the economic transition in afghanistan and all that entails for afghanistan. once the transition to afghan forces is completed, once the bulk of the international forces have withdrawn from afghanistan, we hope that the dividends of that transition, economically to afghanistan, will be beneficial to the afghan people and will not have adverse affects on afghan economy and the prosperity that we have gained in the past many years. we also discussed the issue of election in afghanistan and the importance of e
we agreed on allowing the taliban office in qatar, in doha, where the taliban will engage in direct talks with the representatives of the afghan high council for peace where we will be seeking the help of relevant regional countries, including pakistan. we'll be trying our best together with the united states and our other allies to return peace and stability to afghanistan as soon as possible, and employing all the means that we have within our power to do that so the afghan people can live in...
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>> 354,000 afghan national army people roughly, but the problem are the taliban, the taliban are pashtun. do you know what percent of that afghan national army are pashtun? 2%. >> that's right. >> this army, they're basically seen as northern invaders from other tribes. they're they've not been treated as a ver vant class. they make up the army. they're not going to be allowed in the helmand provinces. >> we're going to have a divided country like laeb none. >> you're absolutely right. >> the american people will be watching it on television and reading in the newspaper about beheadings and awful treatment of women in those areas controlled by the pashtuns, right? >> yes, they will, but the bigger question is what contingency of u.s. troops can stop that? >> if we're not staying in there big time, 100,000 troops basically, we might as well get out because we can't control the future of the country pvend. >> and convert it to the operation that the president talked about where we're going security and training -- >> it raises the old question when you go in 11, 12 years ago you knew you h
>> 354,000 afghan national army people roughly, but the problem are the taliban, the taliban are pashtun. do you know what percent of that afghan national army are pashtun? 2%. >> that's right. >> this army, they're basically seen as northern invaders from other tribes. they're they've not been treated as a ver vant class. they make up the army. they're not going to be allowed in the helmand provinces. >> we're going to have a divided country like laeb none. >>...
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there's still a chance of a civil war after we leave and the taliban taking power. i don't expect those things but i can't rule them out by any means. >> dana, earlier this week general stanley mcchrystal was on "morning joe" and was critical with the afghan mission and then there was this exchange. >> implicit in that is the criticism that in iraq and afghanistan we simply didn't know enough before hand about local realities to exactly know what we were getting into and how to contend with it? >> we didn't know enough when we went in and we were very slow in learning. >> dana, there's a man speaking with authority, but is this not another good reason for chuck hagel's nomination because he, unlike so many of his fellow republicans, prefers to act cautiously when it comes to these forays over seas? >> well, two things. he prefers to act cautiously using war as a last resort instead of a rather more immediate choice as had been the case over the last decade, but he's also a big supporter of working multilaterally and that's why he had been so critical of the bush adm
there's still a chance of a civil war after we leave and the taliban taking power. i don't expect those things but i can't rule them out by any means. >> dana, earlier this week general stanley mcchrystal was on "morning joe" and was critical with the afghan mission and then there was this exchange. >> implicit in that is the criticism that in iraq and afghanistan we simply didn't know enough before hand about local realities to exactly know what we were getting into and...
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to gut punch the taliban and soften up the system. if you can chaung the circumstances, the military overpromised and underdelivered, and i think that the resolve of not only the president and joe biden having always been in that view, in coordination with others, and really, really recalled that deal in the terms and the deal and took troops back. and that broke the back of the notion that a large military footprint delivered automatically the kind of security deliverables that the military was promising. it created low back and counterreaction much like the lines that you showed in elizabeth miller piece, more violence after the surge than before the surge. >> that i think is the key conceptual transition that we went through, that we decoupled in our minds the idea of security advances from troop numbers. when you have the troop numbers, we didn't get the advances called, so you don't get troop numbers in definitely. they haven't been proven to have the strategic effect, that break in that logic train has happened in the national s
to gut punch the taliban and soften up the system. if you can chaung the circumstances, the military overpromised and underdelivered, and i think that the resolve of not only the president and joe biden having always been in that view, in coordination with others, and really, really recalled that deal in the terms and the deal and took troops back. and that broke the back of the notion that a large military footprint delivered automatically the kind of security deliverables that the military...
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the taliban released a statement on wednesday. they want to flee from afghanistan just as they turn tail and ran from vietnam. when america faced utter destruction in vietnam, they came up with the formula declare victory and run and want to utilize the formula of transfer security and run here in afghanistan. what do you make of that? >> wow. >> yeah. >> taliban has a p.r. shop. who knew? >> who knew? >> the taliban. >> where is it written that the united states in its adventures abroad has to acquire such perplexing enemies and really irritating allies, like president karzai? >> as well. >> here's a guy who is coming to washington to ask for certain things, and he is saying you caused all this corruption here. you know, he is something of a -- we did pour billions of dollars in there. there was probably insufficient supervision of what they were doing with our money but really he has been sort of an irritant for 11 years, and he is about to exit. things will change. >> maggie, in terms of sort of anything that might have biparti
the taliban released a statement on wednesday. they want to flee from afghanistan just as they turn tail and ran from vietnam. when america faced utter destruction in vietnam, they came up with the formula declare victory and run and want to utilize the formula of transfer security and run here in afghanistan. what do you make of that? >> wow. >> yeah. >> taliban has a p.r. shop. who knew? >> who knew? >> the taliban. >> where is it written that the united...
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i will give you 30,000 troops on top of what is already there to gut punch the taliban and try to soften up the system. and that's all you get. if you can change the circumstances. the military overpromised and underdelivered. and i think that the resolve of not only the president, but joe biden having always been in that view in coordination with others on the team like dennis mcdonough and tom donilon, really recall the deal and the terms of the deal and they took the troops back. and that broke the back of a notion that a large military footprint delivered automatically the kind of security deliverables that the military was promising. it actually created blowback and counter reaction much like the alliance that you showed in that piece that there is more violence after the surge than before the surge. >> that i think is the key c conceptual that security advances from troop numbers. you didn't get the advances you said would come with the troop numbers. so now you don't get troop numbers indefinitely because they haven't been proven to have the strategic effect that you said they wou
i will give you 30,000 troops on top of what is already there to gut punch the taliban and try to soften up the system. and that's all you get. if you can change the circumstances. the military overpromised and underdelivered. and i think that the resolve of not only the president, but joe biden having always been in that view in coordination with others on the team like dennis mcdonough and tom donilon, really recall the deal and the terms of the deal and they took the troops back. and that...
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the fact of the matter is that the taliban control a significant part of the country. even after the so-called mini surge that was orchestrated by general petraeus and general mcchrystal. the fact of the matter is that president karzai is very unpopular. and the fact of the matter is that geographically a central government in kabul can never really control the vast majority of that country, including the areas most closer to pakistan. >> ambassador, i was struck by the last question that the president was asked at his joint press conference about afghan women. and in response, he said, in part, the afghan constitution protects the rights of afghan women and the u.s. strongly believes that afghanistan cannot succeed unless it gives opportunity to its women. what is the reality right now for women and girls in afghanistan? and what is the reality likely to be for women and girls after the u.s. troop presence is withdrawn? >> in the major cities in kabul, obviously, it's been a huge renaissance of women's rights and across the country and the u.s. military empowered youn
the fact of the matter is that the taliban control a significant part of the country. even after the so-called mini surge that was orchestrated by general petraeus and general mcchrystal. the fact of the matter is that president karzai is very unpopular. and the fact of the matter is that geographically a central government in kabul can never really control the vast majority of that country, including the areas most closer to pakistan. >> ambassador, i was struck by the last question that...
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he said the taliban and al qaeda are two different elements. if we stay after killing bin laden, we have lost our purpose. he said the worst thing we can do is get bogged down without getting out. it wasn't that long ago, but it was interesting to look back a year and eight months ago to when bin laden was killed. i mean, at the time, anybody else think that maybe that would have meant we would come home from afghanistan? it seemed like one of the real possibilities that opened up with that almost unbelievable news on that cold night in may. but we did not leave afghanistan after this happened. this was roughly 600 days ago. we've got another 700 days ahead of us before the white house says this war will officially end, nearly two years from now. but how many american troops are left there between now and then? and what are those troops expected to do? how much fighting are they going to be doing? how much of our 11 and a half yearlong war is going to continue to result in americans getting hurt and killed between now and then? all of that rema
he said the taliban and al qaeda are two different elements. if we stay after killing bin laden, we have lost our purpose. he said the worst thing we can do is get bogged down without getting out. it wasn't that long ago, but it was interesting to look back a year and eight months ago to when bin laden was killed. i mean, at the time, anybody else think that maybe that would have meant we would come home from afghanistan? it seemed like one of the real possibilities that opened up with that...
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the taliban have said they will try to kill her and her father? they do come back. there's still a very real threat in her home district and girls go to school with an armed guard outside and there's been an uptick in violence and the taliban has been targeting health workers and teachers so the threat is still very, very real and this is a girl whose portfolio has extended and the impact she's having is not just there, so i think she will continue to have an impact across pakistan and around the world. >> what implications has this had and will this continue to have, potentially, for the future of girls' education in that country? >> i think it's still too early to say. certainly if there's anything good that's come of this attack on malala is there's finally a conversation that's been had that's never been had at the highest level. education has never been priority f priority. and they spend 3% of their budget on education and that's abysmal. single digits in some parts for women in the country. we're talking about a country of 180 million and the vast majority of
the taliban have said they will try to kill her and her father? they do come back. there's still a very real threat in her home district and girls go to school with an armed guard outside and there's been an uptick in violence and the taliban has been targeting health workers and teachers so the threat is still very, very real and this is a girl whose portfolio has extended and the impact she's having is not just there, so i think she will continue to have an impact across pakistan and around...
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when you talk to afghans in remote villages and ones who have seen the air strikes, taliban coming into their villages from other provinces, other countries even. they are ready for the fight to be over, but they don't know what will cop after. when you talk to afghans in the cities like kabul, herat, when you talk to those afghans, they have seen the difference in the last decade, seen the internet come to the city, more than 30 television stations after zero after the taliban. radio stations, media fashion industry growing in afghanistan. those are the afghans who are afraid of the international community leaving, they believe america won't abandon them, because they have a fear of what will happen after 2014, and that means possibly the taliban coming back, possibly a civil war. >> you get a sense that the goal after 2014 is zero u.s. troops in afghanistan? >> the last several years, when i spoke with military and diplomatic officials, they kept repeating they will never abandon afghanistan again. when you talk on background to some of the ambassadors from different countries, some g
when you talk to afghans in remote villages and ones who have seen the air strikes, taliban coming into their villages from other provinces, other countries even. they are ready for the fight to be over, but they don't know what will cop after. when you talk to afghans in the cities like kabul, herat, when you talk to those afghans, they have seen the difference in the last decade, seen the internet come to the city, more than 30 television stations after zero after the taliban. radio stations,...
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and the taliban issued a statement saying if u.s. troops are left here they vow and promise more war and destruction. >> thanks to you. be safe, as well. the numbers being floated in terms of how many troops the u.s. might leave in afghanistan have ranged as high as 20,000. they are as low as 3,000. let's get to the war room. former chief of staff for west virginia. a republican strategist and former aid to president george h.w. bush. what do you think that we will hear from this meeting between president obama and president karzai. >> president obama i'm sure will listen to the laundry list of complaints that president karzai has. i think both are concerned about the local audience, that is to say the domestic audience. president karzai is concerned about the audience at home and president obama has to consider the bigger picture. >> chris, with the political reality is that the public wants out of afghanistan. and the political reality in afghanistan is that they want u.s. troops to leave, why, then, keep any troops in afghanistan?
and the taliban issued a statement saying if u.s. troops are left here they vow and promise more war and destruction. >> thanks to you. be safe, as well. the numbers being floated in terms of how many troops the u.s. might leave in afghanistan have ranged as high as 20,000. they are as low as 3,000. let's get to the war room. former chief of staff for west virginia. a republican strategist and former aid to president george h.w. bush. what do you think that we will hear from this meeting...
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it's not really even about the taliban. it's about pride. it's about the mistakes that have been made and the lives that have been lost. how do you best honor that? >> yeah. >> gail, stay with us, if you can. >>> up next, a preview of "meet the press" with david gregory and "the washington post's" eugene robinson. first bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> we're having our father/son powwow. barnicle is going to control the weather maps. we're going to do the rooerever. >> i'm a high-pressure area. >> yes, you are, hothead. you have to go a little slower. we're confusing people. now we're on saturday already. let's just start with your weekend forecast. you can't go back. that's the problem. foreca as far as the middle of the nation, that's where the snowstorm is hitting today and tomorrow traveling through montana, idaho up through fargo to bismarck. major winter storm tonight into tomorrow. then it will be exiting during the day saturday. the rest of the forecast also watch out for thunderstorms. now let's advance to sunday, one pu
it's not really even about the taliban. it's about pride. it's about the mistakes that have been made and the lives that have been lost. how do you best honor that? >> yeah. >> gail, stay with us, if you can. >>> up next, a preview of "meet the press" with david gregory and "the washington post's" eugene robinson. first bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> we're having our father/son powwow. barnicle is going to control the weather maps....
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. >>> a role of america in afghanistan and how many troops will it take to keep the taliban at bay? we'll get two very unique perspectives on that. >> they're quite legitimate and i want to get answers myself before i take the position. >> coming up, california congressman before questioning the top job at the pentagon being derail the president's second-term agenda. as we begin this hour we'll take you straight to the white house where after a week of meetings with gun control advocates, representatives of the gaming industry and other groups, vice president biden will submit his recommendations to the president as early as tuesday for ways to prevent gun violence moving forward. kristen welker joins us with more on that. let's start out with what we can expect to come, again, this tuesday deadline is pretty self-imposed by the gun task force and the president himself, and all of them trying to make the president's state of the union when it comes up at the end of the month. >> reporter: that's right. we're expecting the vice president to put forth a broad set of proposals includin
. >>> a role of america in afghanistan and how many troops will it take to keep the taliban at bay? we'll get two very unique perspectives on that. >> they're quite legitimate and i want to get answers myself before i take the position. >> coming up, california congressman before questioning the top job at the pentagon being derail the president's second-term agenda. as we begin this hour we'll take you straight to the white house where after a week of meetings with gun...
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like for them and what we will need to do to keep afghanistan from slipping back to the hands of the taliban. >>> the white house must first deal with the spending and the looming debt ceiling and if congress refuses to raise the debt ceiling coming up, the u.s. go in default. that could trigger a worse economy reaction than we feared in the fiscal cliff situation. we have the latest. if republicans refuse to raise the debt ceiling there's the possibility that the president can work around the congress, but it's likely. >> there are a couple of possibilities that are being floated around, thomas. one is that the white house could use the 14th amendment, that would allow the president to increase the debt ceiling without congress' approval, and it says validity of the public debt of the united states shall not be questioned. some democrats wrote a letter to the white house on friday saying it gives the president the authority to increase the debt ceiling unilaterally, and another option that is floated is to essentially mint a platinum coin worth a trillion dollars. this is a idea that dates
like for them and what we will need to do to keep afghanistan from slipping back to the hands of the taliban. >>> the white house must first deal with the spending and the looming debt ceiling and if congress refuses to raise the debt ceiling coming up, the u.s. go in default. that could trigger a worse economy reaction than we feared in the fiscal cliff situation. we have the latest. if republicans refuse to raise the debt ceiling there's the possibility that the president can work...
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america doesn't stay and help, will the country fall back into a civil wary will it fall back to the taliban? and does that mean al qaeda is coming back. president karzai knows that he needs america's help right now. but he's also trying to let america know that he means business when it comes to securing his own land and having complete sovereignty from american rule and military. >> it just shows you how dmrik indicate the whole equation is. atiyyah, good to see you here. one crucial voice on afghanistan will be chuck hagel if confirmed as secretary of defense. president obama nominated him earlier this week now the white house is gearing up for a nomination fight. cleaning me is roger simon from politico. good morning. >> good morning. your new piece is titled "hagel puts country ahead of conquest." where do you see us if indeed chuck hagel is confirm as defense secretary? >> i see us heading out. hagel has wanted our forces out of afghanistan for a while now. we have accomplished our purpose there. we have met our goals. we have dispersed al qaeda, and destroyed much of our leadership. a
america doesn't stay and help, will the country fall back into a civil wary will it fall back to the taliban? and does that mean al qaeda is coming back. president karzai knows that he needs america's help right now. but he's also trying to let america know that he means business when it comes to securing his own land and having complete sovereignty from american rule and military. >> it just shows you how dmrik indicate the whole equation is. atiyyah, good to see you here. one crucial...
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it's not just the taliban. we say the taliban but there are different groups within. insurgent groups, the criminal gang element that's throughout the country. it's going to be very difficult for the afghans to be able to handle it. they'll try, but we'll see what will happen. >> we're talking a lot more about this no doubt with you. thank you so much, atia abawi. >>> what do casey anthony and actor rob lowe have in common? a new movie. we'll hear from the actor next. n and stiffness from psoriatic arthritis hit, even the smallest things became difficult. i finally understood what serious joint pain is like. i talked to my rheumatologist and he prescribed enbrel. enbrel can help relieve pain, stiffness, and stop joint damage. enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, nervous system and blood disorders, and allergic reactions have occurred. before starting enbrel, your doctor should test you for tuberculosis and discuss whether you've been to a region where certain fun
it's not just the taliban. we say the taliban but there are different groups within. insurgent groups, the criminal gang element that's throughout the country. it's going to be very difficult for the afghans to be able to handle it. they'll try, but we'll see what will happen. >> we're talking a lot more about this no doubt with you. thank you so much, atia abawi. >>> what do casey anthony and actor rob lowe have in common? a new movie. we'll hear from the actor next. n and...
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the afghans in the rural villages and place we see most of the fighting and most of the soldiers and taliban, they are ready for a withdrawal because they feel if the withdrawal happens, there will be less fighting. but many analysts say the fighting will continue. >> on a side note, real interesting, before we let you go, we don't get much face time with atia, we were talking about movies coming to afghanistan, zero dark thirty, whether it was seen there yet. girls going back to school. here in america we think all children need to be educated. women can't go to the movie theater in afghanistan. >> no, they can't. if they try to it would be a dangerous prospect. the men that go to the movie theaters, we have to remember afghanistan doesn't have a class that have jobs, many boys are going there and causing troubles. girls cannot go and bear by go out by themselves without being harassed. massive sexual harass. me ment on the streets. there are children providing for their families and treated pretty badly. >> we need to continue talking about this. thanks for being here. great to see you. as
the afghans in the rural villages and place we see most of the fighting and most of the soldiers and taliban, they are ready for a withdrawal because they feel if the withdrawal happens, there will be less fighting. but many analysts say the fighting will continue. >> on a side note, real interesting, before we let you go, we don't get much face time with atia, we were talking about movies coming to afghanistan, zero dark thirty, whether it was seen there yet. girls going back to school....
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the pakistani team who was gunned down by taliban walked out of the hospital today. she will remain in britain as she continues to recover. jts back here in the states, the cdc is recording the biggest bump of flu for an extremely rough winter. >>> a bang-up week on wall street. now, back to "hardball. >>> welcome back to "hardball." the controversial new movie "zero dark thirty" about the hunt for osama bin laden has already racked up a slew of critical praise and oscar buzz, but it's also received some real world criticism from its depiction of torture as a key element in finding bin laden. now it has sparked a senate investigation. senators dianne feinstein, carl levin, and john mccain want to know whether the cia provided misinformation to filmmakers. in a statement yesterday the three senators wrote, given the cia's cooperation with the filmmakers and the narrative's consistency with past public misstatements by former senior cia officials, the filmmakers could have been misled by information they were provided by the cia. so what are the facts about the role en
the pakistani team who was gunned down by taliban walked out of the hospital today. she will remain in britain as she continues to recover. jts back here in the states, the cdc is recording the biggest bump of flu for an extremely rough winter. >>> a bang-up week on wall street. now, back to "hardball. >>> welcome back to "hardball." the controversial new movie "zero dark thirty" about the hunt for osama bin laden has already racked up a slew of...
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this whole issue together, including a lot of the progress that's been made for afghan women as the taliban returns. i find that a very scary report. >> the other people scared are the pakistanis. >> right. >> looking at what's happening says kroog the border, if we are completely pulling out. what does it say about the surge and the american lives that were lost with that escalation? >> if you look at the pentagon's own most recent report on what's been the last six months in afghanistan, you will -- of the most recent -- the most repeat report from the pentagon on previous six months in afghanist afghanistan, you will see that the levels of violence that have returned to -- are now greater than presurge levels. this obviously brings us to the conclusion that the surge has made no difference. now, the military will disagree with that, and i would say the surge has made a difference in parts of afghanistan, in southern afghanistan, and helmand province especially where 20,000 marines were there. they're leaving soon. it did make a difference to some degree in kandahar, so i think the zero o
this whole issue together, including a lot of the progress that's been made for afghan women as the taliban returns. i find that a very scary report. >> the other people scared are the pakistanis. >> right. >> looking at what's happening says kroog the border, if we are completely pulling out. what does it say about the surge and the american lives that were lost with that escalation? >> if you look at the pentagon's own most recent report on what's been the last six...
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in an attack that sparked global outrage, she was targeted in pakistan by taliban gunmen for speaking out in favor of education for pakistani girls. now, three months later, she's been discharged from a british hospital recovering in england. doctors plan to perform more surgery on her within the next month. we wish her well. up next, we dive into the vault not once but twice. which president began the era of helping the people and which one screwed it all up? r on may 18th, five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. [ woman ] learn from my story. [ male announcer ] how do you make 70,000 trades a second... ♪ reach one customer at a time? ♪ or help doctors turn billions of bytes of shared information... ♪ into a fifth anniversary of remission? ♪ whatever your business challenge, dell has the technology and services to help you solve it. this reduced sodium soup says it may help lower cholesterol, how
in an attack that sparked global outrage, she was targeted in pakistan by taliban gunmen for speaking out in favor of education for pakistani girls. now, three months later, she's been discharged from a british hospital recovering in england. doctors plan to perform more surgery on her within the next month. we wish her well. up next, we dive into the vault not once but twice. which president began the era of helping the people and which one screwed it all up? r on may 18th, five days later, i...
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indefinite detention for a group of people that's very, very broad in the current war against al qaeda and taliban and associated forces so that not only -- >> associated doing a lot of work there? >> it is. and the other thing that's doing a lot of work is substantially supported. anybody who substantially supported these forces is subject to indefinite detention which is not something that you would get if you went back and read the authorization for use and military force from 2001, which describes a narrower set of people, frankly. >> so we've actually expanded? >> legislatively, yes. in some ways, this bill was basically codifying what the lower courts have been doing. >> have allowed. >> have alouds. >> the supreme court hadn't weighed in on whether this is okay. will it? i don't know. >> let me ask you this, ben, the naacp is not an institution that's focused on national security issues, for understandable reasons but i wonder sometimes and i'm not someone that welcome i don't myself, that's not the thing i spend most of my time reading about but i wonder if when you think about this stuff,
indefinite detention for a group of people that's very, very broad in the current war against al qaeda and taliban and associated forces so that not only -- >> associated doing a lot of work there? >> it is. and the other thing that's doing a lot of work is substantially supported. anybody who substantially supported these forces is subject to indefinite detention which is not something that you would get if you went back and read the authorization for use and military force from...
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the taliban this weekend vowed more of what it called war destruction if the u.s. leaves behind a residual force. that's a sobering reminder of the instability here, alex. >> i appreciate the breakdown of the numbers and what they would be doing. >>> the new headline this morning, the white house considering a broad gun control plan. i'm going to speak with civil rights activist reverend jesse jackson about it next. later nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss on whether the debt ceiling could be a legacy trap. mine was earned off vietnam in 1968. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. starts with arthritis pain and a choice. take tylenol or take aleve, the #1 recommended pain reliever by orthopedic doctors. just two aleve can keep pa
the taliban this weekend vowed more of what it called war destruction if the u.s. leaves behind a residual force. that's a sobering reminder of the instability here, alex. >> i appreciate the breakdown of the numbers and what they would be doing. >>> the new headline this morning, the white house considering a broad gun control plan. i'm going to speak with civil rights activist reverend jesse jackson about it next. later nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss on...
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around the same weapons in america that they carried around in afghanistan when they were hunting the taliban. >> right. >> will you just give us an insight on the problems that we face getting rid of, you know, these magazine clips where you can, you know, shoot off, you know, dozens of bullets in seconds? and some of these assault weapons that, again, are made for one reason and one reason only, to kill as many human beings as quickly as possible. talk about the challenges. because i know there are 40 democrats in the house that are going to fight getting rid of assault weapons. of course, most of the republicans are going to fight it. what's the great challenge there? >> i think that you're right, joe, and general mcchrystal was right, these are weapons of war. they are not weapons that you go hunting with or really that you can protect yourself with. you know, there is going to be a discussion. you know, starting today, we're going to hear it from governor cuomo. the vice president's having a series of meetings today. he's going to come out with a series of proposals very soon. assault we
around the same weapons in america that they carried around in afghanistan when they were hunting the taliban. >> right. >> will you just give us an insight on the problems that we face getting rid of, you know, these magazine clips where you can, you know, shoot off, you know, dozens of bullets in seconds? and some of these assault weapons that, again, are made for one reason and one reason only, to kill as many human beings as quickly as possible. talk about the challenges....